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  August 2, 2020 at 6:58 am. This isn’t nearly as bad as the old Hydra-shocks would plug, but still happens on rare occasions. There is no such thing as functioning properly and locking the slide back “as if the mag was empty” when the mag was not empty. FREE Shipping … Ya I would scrap a product based on one persons results. No, you test because then you can prove exactly what kinda bullshit it is, and how deep they shoveled it. With a pistol bullet you want to *keep* your mass, not shed it. Because, whether you liked the tone of my presentation or not, the fact remains that the testing is absolutely accurate, and has been replicated by others. Ill stick with HST, Gold Dots or Ranger T. Thanks though. Got a larger pig tonight, nit in shoulder while moving, dropped dead in it’s tracks. Things are different now, though . After decades and decades of bullet testing and refinement, the #1 one thing that all serious manufacturers agree on when speaking of hunting or self defense ammo is weight retention. Your false assertion about the nature of self defense is not only laughable, it is almost criminally naive. It also seems that the depth actually is better for hitting organs. Definitely not after this test. 4.7 out of 5 stars 506. The Zombie Max ammo (I got a couple boxes when it was the ONLY 9mm hollow point at cabelas during gunpocalypse and only shot about 5 rounds) has almost the exact same polymer insert inside the JHP that the Hornady Critical Defense ammo does. Just because the anti’s are probably shatting themselves just looking at them, and they’ll want them banned. In Part II of my examination, I conducted three more tests – against four layers of denim, plywood and then 12 layers of denim. And if they don’t cycle reliably, well, then you’re not too worried about the wound path that your bullet is or isn’t going to cause are you — but the one that theirs is instead. There’s nothing necessarily wrong with those products (I own and use Clear Ballistics gel frequently), but it’s not what the FBI uses. Oh, you will go to jail, and the family might try to sue, but dead men don’t talk. I appreciate the information once you started actually started talking about just the facts pertaining to the performance of the RIP ammunition. And .36” will destroy more tissue than .22” will. However, the G2R RIP ammo makes some bold claims. Ballistic gel is not a body, and it’s not intended to simulate a body, and 4” of penetration in gel doesn’t mean 4” of penetration in a body. What company does not over-hype their product to sell it? (This concept also applies to a bullet/jacket separation, hence bonding). S.Crock, If that one in six hundred failed round was the one that would have saved your life! Each event is designed to test a hollow point bullet by shooting the ammo through barriers such as wallboard, steel, and auto glass before penetrating ballistic gelatin. They cannot say they weren’t warned. I had WWB and Federal FMJs choke a Glock 36 last weekend…. Cycleair. Second, you’ll need to drop a few HUNDRED dollars worth of this ammo, just to see if it cycles in your weapon reliably and hits to point of aim. Losing pieces of the projectile is considered bullet failure in all of these rounds. Let me know your thoughts! Further, he spews on some crap about not wanting to “kill and intruder, just stop them” for lawyer’s sake. This dude said he knows a plethora of district attorney’s lol. Next, I had an issue with feeding. No one’s done this before because mathematically it’s a bad idea to begin with. A 9mm with 350 or 400 ft/lbs. Third, it’s expen$ive. It does have the capability to penetrate deep enough to cause an incapacitating hit if your aim is good enough to put it on target. 13.5″– 14.5″ of Penetration; 2″ Groupings at 15 yrds; 9 Separate Wound Channels; Solid Copper / Lead Free; 5.5″ – 7.5″ Diameter Spread; Precision Machined Yep, you missed something in the text. Check your local laws. Not only did you set out to find specific results, nullifying your scientific credibility, your bias against the RIP ammo is clear not only in your writing but in your sarcastic tone. Sorry for the fuzzy picture, but you get the idea. Actually I think it has more to do with not wanting to accidentally penetrate one of the control mechanisms of the aircraft, or say an engine, rather than just putting a hole in the skin of the craft. I could shove a 2 inch diameter spear through you and it would be less likely to hit a vital organ than 9 arrows though you, even though the 9 arrows would definitely have less surface area at their impact points….even if 8 of those 9 arrows only penetrated through half your torso’s diameter. Personally feel the company is irresponsible at many levels for producing this round, and for their presentation of it. I don’t know if comparing this round to some gel that got shot several times through the same hole with a 22 is a fair comparison that tells us anything. We got our hands on some of the G2’s uber ammo, courtesy of the fine people at www.ammotogo.com. So I got the G2 RIP ammo in 9 millimeter. Ranger. They say you should fire a warning shot and if that doesn’t work, aim for a leg. Ammunition. The lungs have about1/4 the density of other body tissue. HST, Gold Dot, Ranger T are my top three JHP. And wish them luck and continued improvement! They need to understand that a more lethal round requires fewer shots to stop a threat therefore it is safer for bystanders. So that’s a good sign. HST or Ranger-Ts are the current kings of the hill. going into Ballistic Gel. It’s like describing a truck’s towing capacity in Priuses. Ballistic gelatin is the most accurate human soft tissue simulant available, and it’s what professional bullet testers use to evaluate the penetration and damage potential of ammunition. Your shot to wound theory hurts the victim in the long run and opens any defense up to broader scope of vulnerabilities. That’s the stuff the standards apply to, and that’s what I used in this test. I would hate to give up penetration depth and having a larger bullet striking deep in the body, in exchange for some superficial flesh wounding at 4” deep (and note, that’s 4” in gel, not 4” in a body – it’d be shallower in a body, and may not even get past the ribcage.) In Part II of my examination, I conducted three more tests – against four layers of denim, plywood and then […] The Critical Defense’s claim to fame is “reliable expansion”, but like the non-plastic-pellet XTPs, they don’t expand nearly as much as their competition when they do. I quit reading at the part where it jammed in a Glock 19. The only time it isn’t a failure is in frangible ammo made to reduce ricochet (primarily for shooting steel targets) or in “exotic” ammo where the boutique manufacturer makes exaggerated marketing claims of various sorts. I always enjoy the ShootingTheBull videos and checked em before I went to get new carry ammo. Or is it the same quality as the glock? And if the only answer is “the trocars”, let me remind you that the trocars aren’t delivering any more damage to the target than a couple of squirrel-hunting varmint rounds, and only penetrate to a bit more than half as far as the varmint rounds do. The trocars are interesting, but is the point to do belly shots? Don’t worry what the antis say. Crock, what type of failure? That means the actual projectile is pretty much match grade every one will be the same. But we could at least determine that some of the marketing statements were unlikely or even impossible. This is a bullet design failure or an improperly-loaded round (bullet not seated deep enough). I see standard Federal HST or Winchester PDX working much better, and for a whole lot less money. Still dont follow what Paul W is saying. But if I shoot them, I could get assault with a deadly weapon and if they die, murder or man slaughter. Otherwise, you could be charged with manslaughter, murder, etc. talk about 30 caliber ghost assault clips that fire 30 rounds in half a second. Contrary to the misinformation that you have sourced, You have more chances of criminal charges and civil law suits in the chance that you “shoot to wound”. this company might have something worth using, also if they don’t try so hard for the “badass” look on everything. 93 ($0.75/Ounce) Get it as soon as Tue, Feb 23. Of course, when it comes to bullets (as with everything else), looks aren’t everything. He clearly stated, at least twice, that these were the results from the very early stages of his tests. I shoot the 1911 better than any other handgun bar none and at defensive ranges (or in a calm state with deliberate fire to 50 yards) I have absolutely no doubt in my ability to rapidly empty it to slide lock with all rounds impacting the torso. Why not try the ammo out hunting in a real scenario? I HAVE SEEN THAT WOUNDING PATTERN BEFORE! But I appreciate the details and thorough review. Can we have tungsten pistol rounds, or depleted uranium? They should stay attached to the bullet. If you shoot and kill someone, you have to be able to prove that you did so because you believed your life was in danger. The failure to feed was a little disheartening, but how many times did this happen, and in how many rounds total? Hello all, I just joined this forum but I figured I would share my latest ammo test video. So this is self defense ammunition, it’s a 96 grain solid copper projectile and the idea is that it’s going to release all of its energy into the target, not going to pass through and it creates lots of wound channels. Now, I know that some people get upset when testers use ballistic gel. It’s not a full-sized duty pistol, but it’s a very common concealed-carry weapon with a 4.02” barrel. In addition, other barrier dynamics such as oh, leather and denim and buttons and bones bring in to play other variables that are often best mitigated by bullet mass/composition/force that allows for ample penetration that can overcome such barriers and still expand and penetrate 12″+. The lack of projectile diameter and mass on the deeply penetrating part undid this round for me. And I would take a piece of masking tape(Keep some in your range gear) and mark the mag that round got wonky from. Nice video and write up. look at several reviews and videos of this ammo before you listen to some guy who thinks he is a genius…use common sense and think for yourself instead of this idiot… look at all the details and go watch this guys video and think of how much sense he makes 1 bullet vs 9 bullets yeah thats a real comparison! I have an acquaintance who is a firearms instructor. But it looks close. ammo through conventional ballistic testing to see how the round performs in a flesh simulant (ballistic gelatin). Or don’t – and just get a proven JHP. I must admit I was a little curious about the ‘performance’ of this round. JRthe3. feed ramps like smooth surfaces. The refined young lady was likely better off sticking an attacker with her hat pin. In this kit, you will receive, 1 – 10% Ballistics Gelatin FBI Block, 2 – G2 Research 9mm RIP, 2- Speer 9mm 124 gr. That’s what happens when you cast a hollow point with a too hard too brittle alloy. No. With those impressions duly noted, I put the ammo back in its gaudy box and headed to the range to evaluate the round’s performance. 9mm Carbine Ballistic Gel Testing. Ballistic gel is actually the same consistency as the average density of all human tissues, including bone, skin, muscle and so on. As for the trocars splitting off and the base continuing: That’s a bug, not a feature. When a Glock does KB it just blows the mag out the bottom and cracks the frame anyway, they do not have a lethal blast radius or any of that crap. Here’s a shot of it impacting the gel, at the point where the temporary stretch cavity was at its largest: And, here’s a shot of the permanent damage left in the gel block by the G2 R.I.P. Yeah, even so, it’s possible to get any firearm to jam, even with quality ammo of your choice… who knows why, necessarily? People use guns EXACTLY because they kill the attacker. To demonstrate that, I went and shot a variety of low-power projectiles to show just what kind of rounds can penetrate 3.5” to 4” through ballistic gel. are there other rounds that get the job done, yes. I do not understand how shooting 2 different types of bullets into the same block of gel and getting the same result from shooting 1 bullet into a block of gel makes makes for a fair test. G2 Research, INC RIP 9mm 95 gr. The low energy of a .380 means that the breaking-effect of bullet expansion will stop any of the “excellent performers” short of penetrating deep enough for a reliably-debilitating wound. I call B.S. Even a few sub-mil projectiles will eventually kill the target, it’s just that it takes a long while for the effects to be relevant. Ballistic gel is a pain in the patootie to work with, but it’s the worldwide standard, so that’s what I use for my evaluations. A few .22LR’s. You can defend yourself but you cannot attempt to use lethal force for a smack. Then decide. Deadly force means deadly force. I’ll stick with HST, Gold Dots, Golden Sabers, and Ranger T’s, save money, and feel confident that my self defense ammo will feed properly, and expand – penetrate consistently and sufficiently. G2 Research R.I.P. Now THAT was a RIP(ping) round! Or was you just trying to hurt the person. -but yes, I’ll read the next installment. And even if you hit him once or twice, 3 times in some cases many more doesn’t mean they are going to stop or that they won’t shot you after they have hit the ground. When a round hits a target weight retention is important since there is only kinetic energy to move it. Yes I would be concerned. 147 grain HST has very impressive expansion and solid performance otherwise (penetration, feeding etc). Some folks may hate Glocks, but the Glock 19 has a well-deserved reputation for reliability. August 2, 2020 at 6:59 am. It’s like flechettes. Let’s consider our first impressions, though. This whole idea that because of the type of ammunition you chose to load into your weapon somehow is going to “prove” your intent or whether or not you wanted to kill your attacker versus stopping your attacker in a defensive situation is absolute pure nonsense. This is Part II of my ballistic gel test of the G2 Research R.I.P. Again, thank you for the thorough and informative review! From a handgun. Your rib test placed the ribs 3 to 4 inches back in your gel so that the round expanded / fractured before it hit the rib cage, so of course the fractured parts weren’t going to go far after already travelling 4 or 5 inches to reach the back of the ribs. Each piece weighs a little under 11 grains and they each go on their own path, just like the G2 R.I.P. Ask Josh: Do I Need A 6.5 Creedmoor To Shoot Long Range? If this ammo was really any good for self defense, the Democrats would try to ban it as it might be responsible for a net loss of their voters. Everyone has called them petals for a decade…but now I have to call them “trocars”? They make .410 handguns. You can review the gel block test, including the results and comparison, in this video: For those who’d rather read than watch, here’s the gist: G2’s R.I.P. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. . Would want to send some his way. No, we couldn’t say that the ammo did or didn’t perform well, as we hadn’t tested it. Gimmicks tend to fail at the worst possible instant. R.I.P. And even the mainstream press has picked up and run with the story of the new, amazing, superty-duper ammo that is “like no other projectile the world has ever seen.” The company has been making some very bold claims about the performance of this new round. We have two choices: shoot to kill or shoot to wound. I think it’s a very valid point about what your local DA will make of a ‘self defense’ shooting by someone using such a ‘deadly’ round. Was I affected by their marketing? It always enters with a big splash, and it always goes away quickly. Not there yet, but the path they’re on may not be a deadend. If the situation is evaluated and proves our claim that the aggressor had intent to kill or inflict mortal harm upon us, we are of course justified in killing them. Sure enough, the author had one fail to feed in his Glock. It may be a good for testing but it is not a human body. Look at the gel block results I got, and compare them to RatedRR’s tests… they look identical. After being told that you faked the first Gel for dramatic effect, instead of remaining scientifically true to the experiment, why should I believe that you did anything else impartially? The laws in my state are very clear and there will be no consequences legally to the defender. It is why there is such a thing as an immediate action drill. Of course, I could point out that there’s no definition of such a thing as “FBI ballistics gel,” and that the picture looks like it’s probably from a block of Clear Ballistics gel, Perma-Gel or some other synthetic clear gel. remember you only need a bullet to stop a threat not kill them. There are a couple of reasons why I’m using ballistic gelatin for testing: first, because it’s the industry standard, used by all professional ammunition evaluation organizations. DRT makes an excellent frangible round that does the same damage but here is a thought the price tag is almost identical. Even if humans were just balls of flesh with no bones these would be a sub par performer, humans being what they actually are (bones everywhere) these are basically useless unless a belly shot. Why in the heck would a responsible CHL holder carry a round who’s design is obviously to kill vs stopping a threat? If I had multiple failures in one shooting session I would be concerned. What he says is “We conducted testing in two phases – basic gel testing and more advanced testing for claims on barrier penetration, and against conventional rounds.” Barrier Penetration is, in the trade, dry wall and such. If one really can’t understand that 9 wounds have a great chance of hitting a vital organ than a single path, then you have no business testing ammunition. It will run you $50 for 20 rounds — that’s $2.50 per bullet. I don’t know glocks that well, but aren’t those things feed ramped to the point that the unsupported case web makes people nervous? 100 G2 RIPs at $2.50 per round comes out to $250. Saying that 3 rounds of one bullet is better than 1 round of another bullet isn’t particularly informative. Would I carry these in my gun? “Trocar” only refers to the shape of the fragment point. With a wheel gun, one box maybe, and your good to go. First mag has 9 tries to stop the fight but they are 9 big, heavy, relatively fast moving rounds. Stopped dead after less than 2mm penetration. Ballistic gel is not a body, and it’s not intended to simulate a body, and 4” of penetration in gel doesn’t mean 4” of penetration in a body. “we managed to create similar messes with .22LR” was about the kiss of death on this stuff. Rifle Ammunition. Two of my progeny are excellent attorneys, as are many of my close friends, including a plethora of district attorneys, Superior Court, Court of Appeals and State Supreme Court judges. Ever see a video of a big game hunter taking out a charging lion with a bolt rifle? Maybe, maybe not, but the entire established body of science in terminal ballistics shows that terminal effectiveness in handguns comes from bullets that penetrate deeply, in excess of 12″ in ballistic gel. Or, well, really, anything. Think about how much real world testing is done in deer and hog hunting — how easy it is to test various bullet designs for efficacy, which would mean instantaneous incapacitation and death with the largest margin for error. The thin “fingers” of the hollow point (“trocars”) all sheared off and the base penetrated deeply. 2:31. Very nice, informative review. Of course you could just jam a Bic pen in either to the same effect…. That has got to be one of the more asinine things I have ever seen. Frangible rounds, whether Glaser or RIPs, suck at wounding things for all the reasons stated in comments above. 99. They’re good, reliable performers, but don’t expand quite as well as God Dots, HSTs, or Ranger-Ts. Underwood Ammo 10mm 155gr Gold Dot Ballistics Gel Test From A … Deadly force isn’t just to knock down your attacker it is to eliminate the threat. However, even though I’ve been told the polymer tip aids in leather/denim penetration, I just don’t know about that feature very much. Ballistics gel, water bottles, drywall and so on. http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Reasonable+Force. G2 Research's R.I.P. I wonder if Hornady gave you any freebies for that plug? Got a box on the way. This is Part II of my ballistic gel test of the G2 Research R.I.P. More STB410”. Thanks much to ShootingTheBull410. Even with failure to expand the rounds are .45 and simply penetrate 15-17 inches in soft tissue which I find acceptable. But I had hope for the round. it was a wired failure. I think you were passed about the marketing and your review is clearly biased by that. When it comes to the G2 RIP ammo, there is not another round out there that performs in such a fashion to dump all potential energy into the target without over penetrating, which is the goal of any self-defense round: protect yourself and your family without causing collateral damage. "Radically Invasive Projectile" in 9mm. The performance better be magnificent to justify the price tag. It’s close to what I expected as well. round began as a marketing idea and then went from there. In .380 though, the XTP weakness turns into a strength. “Just consider making your decisions based on knowledge and results, rather than on over-the-top claims and marketing hype.”. HSTs manage it by complicated pre-incision, jacket bonding, and formation of the core. G2R went to a lot of trouble to engineer produce these rounds. I am half a sleep so half of this or all of it may or may not make any sense. And they all cost roughly 1/5 the price of this garbage. If the attacker is still moving he is a threat. They don’t. Most of the cases that people note for the sake of quoting court room statistics are true, but only when the attacker and the victim engage in willful combat with one another, not in self defense. The law that permits the use of deadly force permits just that…deadly force. I believe the trocars would create a horrific flesh wound. But, the actual metal part of the bullet looks like it would do the necessary damage to save my arse in a “situation.”. 4.6 out of 5 stars 191. RIP ammo vs Ballistics Gel - RatedRR Slow Mo FA KALACHNIKOV AK 47 – artarmes.com | Posters techniques d'armes POSTER TECHNIQUE et DIDACTIQUE : Présentation très détaillée du mécanisme, de la nomenclature et de l'éclaté de l'arme. Must be cause you didnt use a 93r . That’s a hefty testing price at $2.50 a round. I recently started carrying some of the Critical Defense ammo got a got good laugh from that. Along like customer reviews, other areas that are great for product research are our How-To Articles, Product outing forums, and Product Specialists. i think it is the ammo, because reloads from the same place had a ftf in the 38. it did have a solid hit on the primer. I’ve already talked to several lawyers about it, I will go free and they can never illegally enter another’s home. Almost. ( obviously that is a general statement covering all the Joe Publics) Once point you have is dead on, that is of course if you are involved with any kind of scenario like this, the first thing you do is get a lawyer. Ballistic Gel. So this guy is an armchair lawyer who wants to get his opinion out there before even trying the product. 4.5 out of 5 stars 48. Now with that being said no it does not act like a hole saw. ammo. This week, I’m looking at what happened in our .32 ACP tests. So, when he finally got the product… I couldn’t read on because he had already pegged out on the BS meter. . I was taught to shoot to kill by one of my State’s most eminent Superior Court Judges. Don”t know about 9mm, but the .45 did a job on that pig. We would otherwise be shooting at practice targets that would clearly be bullseyed to brachial nerves and pressure points rather than those that we currently test out with that clearly train us to go for the head and chest cavities in the most lethal areas of the body. It looks like a shuriken or a spider. Expanding petals is fine. Its marketing slogan is “The last round you’ll ever need”. it will be a winner. My Glock 19 is 100 percent with a large variety of ammo through it, an ammo with known feed issues in a 19 is something I would absolutely avoid. R.I.P. Oh,and if you do a double tap and the prosecutor can prove that the sole intent of said double tap was to kill them, you lose. The BS comment of it being questionable to use deadly force to defend ones self is obviously gratified by slighted liberalistic data and is varyingly ambiguous at best. Complete 380 ACP ammunition ballistics Chart. For me to put it in context, the best way to go would be to use conventional ammunition to simulate the damage that was done by the G2 R.I.P. It’s not actually something new though, as this same design has been seen before — with the Lehigh Defense Controlled Fracturing bullet, and the Cutting Edge PHD bullet, and the D Dupleks Hexolit 32 shotgun slug. Yep. Am I reading the test correctly – a comparison was made between a single round of 9x19mm vs. multiple (2+) rounds of .22LR? I am buying some when I can get my hands on them. Thanks STB420. That funky hollow point cavity could very well catch on the slightest feed ramp imperfection or gunk and ruin your whole DGU. Even with the test results, I still plan to use these for my preferred defense rounds when I plan to be around hostile chickens, pumpkins, and watermelons. How will the sharpened, jagged edges of R.I.P.s affect reliable feeding? Sadly, it won’t transfer much shockwave even as it passes through your soft armor and the entirety of your trunk. I’m glad that I get my legal advice from real lawyers and not ol’ Dan Zimmerman. That’s really not something you want to have happen with your self defense ammo. The .25 ACP is a bear-stopper by comparison. All else being equal the larger diameter, heavier bullet always wins, however more bullets on target are always better than less. Even if it were reliable ammo I can’t know that unless I test a good chunk of it in my specific carry gun… and at 2.50$ a round it’s just not reasonable when I’ve got proven rounds that go for less than half of that. That’s even worse than my most pessimistic guess. This definitely proves true the argument that in a self defense situation, we are trained to and “must” shoot to kill the aggressor using lethal methodologies and tactics. projectile. Not to the fragment its self. They’ll refer to it derisively as “doing Jell-O shots” or some other pejorative term. The shallow-penetrating fragmenting idea has been tried over and over. Now if someone forces their way into your home, thats entirely different. G2 Research’s RIP Ammo – Ballistic Testing, Phase One, Gear Review: Off the Grid Concepts MKI Holster, The Truth About: Hollow Point Bullets [Video]. I enjoyed his review, and found his comparison test (against the 3-part 22LR) creative and amusing. Lehigh Defense does make a 9mm version. In other words, it pretty much worked as designed. You better send it back to Glock, if they determine everything is in spec (including the magazines) you are limp wristing it. … This was not a feed issue. Maybe the old triton quik-shok (similar idea, but lead base and heavier bullet weight) too. I wish you had a block of gel shot with a HST to compare to the RIP round. As for now, I’ll stick with my “Zombie” rounds! If it chokes a semi-auto, what’s wrong with using a nice reliable revolver to begin with? So what this tells me is that their bullet should have no more than three trocars, and that they should not necessarily separate from the base. Member. Denim results are coming in Part II. And now we’ve conducted the world’s first independent review of the ammo’s actual performance. But I probably wouldn’t freak out of a single fail to feed out of a large box of ammo (now, the OTHER problems with this ammo…). Yeah, I don’t get the point of that comparison either. +1 Not surprised either. Your comments on Double Tapping….. You shoot until the threat is eliminated ( no longer a threat). Unfortunately for us, the Aguila SSS round yawed halfway through the block, which made its damage path much bigger than the G2 R.I.P.’s, so it doesn’t look quite identical. The brain is mainly fluid and the shock wave going through it courses neuron damage.

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